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: "Fbfif i`fc]`fg> fo`s ]fu`[mff breg ]`f cs7fvpn. Feff ptums h[fi0spi`f> ]fhf ][mff ]fhf ]fvfwfhf bf]n`ei`f be,fh0fy. "Fef8sn`s8cf bpby6`f hwtynh" f[f0fhyfrw`f ]fhf ]nhfutlbf hsu`6`f h7syof byfufys> ]fbyffkfhf is7fkj> 9[soshkf bp,j F9cys7f ]is[sy]`j fp[`swhf bf[mfkfufp b0f,eg ]`f hfc]`fhw c0f[eg".

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:  "F[s6`rs fyfuofhfps f[fh[`fuf6`f ptums ,pbjeg. Fhb brjyrhtne f0fuskfpffimf=ums e,fc feg bis7je. }fhf F9cys ]fh[sy]`shw [s6`rsc b]fvfpfh> bfh,fypffkfrums frfvgfybf> ptums htb]f frfvgfybf "}f0fvpffbn" bfijeg. Cu`s biffyfuj fkf> f0fvpffhf fim0fqfhf fkifhf - flje]fn` ,tbfhtb fu`s]fkfkhtb hlshujeg. Eb f7ys e[s kfpsh7`j ]`f frus p,jv. Fhb frfvgfybf bfijeg ]`f bc9[mfojbn> bfh,fypffkfrums ffv0fps> bfh,fypffkfrums fajhvfkf frfvgfybf "}f0fvpffbn" fbywbfnjhw`f chsluskfhw cs[bjeg".

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: "Cu`s biffyfuj fkf> frfvgfybf "}f0fvpffbn" ;`kfhn` rfvgfybf b,pbfoje ajhvjeg. }fh0> F9cys b7fkfp fb,fimhf bfl]`fkfv feff> fhb fb,fimhf bfkfofp f9cef fh9shw`f hfyfw`f h=f9[mf f0fvpffhf im0f]qfhjeg. Ec ,fif ef[mf[`f9ief> lfhf hps f0fvpffhf frums bffyfvujpi`f eu`s bf,fh 7fkjbn> f[f fh0 fyfw`f> vbye0r flsv[fhums> eb bfp[`wsh> ec7fy fhb frfvgfybf fqfr fvjeg ]`f bc9[mfojbn".

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: "*svi hf9[mf ^`0timn`b flhfvfn` ntfnh f7ys Umfhum Cb[fhekbot bcgtrnfrkm "F,fv,fpbfn` \mfyf0" cf[`f9ibn. Cu`ffyfufhfkf> fhb fcgtrnfrkm frfvgfybf "}f0fvpffbn" fyfuofhjeg. Fcgtrnfrkm ptums f0fvpffhf fim0fqfhf fbltbf bfimf0freg. E,hb fpfr`pfh 7fkfg f9[fhhf pf[skqef> f[`f9iw`f eb b,pbfofys bhslshrsktbn. E,hb f7syn` frfvgfybf "}f0fvpffbn" fps i`u`s bffyfujb ]`f fpqffhf fr`shuskfhfums bf0f[sv ]`f bc9[mfojbn. Eb ]fluskfhjeg> bfp9[mfu`f]0fhjeg. F,hb fv8fkf fr`svpfh> lf-frfkf F9cys7f ]ps[sy]`jv. Effyn` ]ps6`shwfpums cptbkrffefv> f[f"

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: "Fhb tb9i fbywbfnbdf lffhfof bcu`f9[jbn. Cfhtb c8spw`tb u`f[`fhfkf fhb frfvgfybf ]fluskjbn. Cfhf> f9cetb f6sh0etb fyfw`f h=f9[mf i`syn` f0fvpffhf im0fcqfhw cs[bjeg. Fhb fb,fimhf=s eh0 hszr`syw`f himbn. C8spw`fums f,fc fkf hu`s bffyfujbn. Fhb tbkrffv f0fuskfpffimf ]fkqshw bffv0jeg".

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: "F0fvpffhf fim0fqfhf> b,pbje ;tcneg. Fef8s ef0fbvqfhw eb]`fh> bu`s v9iffh fefv. }hs]`fg ]f0fhsvqfhw> fu`hf l]fhufg ]fhf ]ps biu`frmje> b[fi`qf> eb tb/me frums ]ps7fqjv".

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:  "Fhb fbltbf fdnjh cu`ff[`fhf bfcsv]`fhw cskijv. B[fi`qf> " }f0fvpffbn " bfyfrepffkfrums bfijeg> ef;`ums> fhb f0fuskfpffimf=ums f,fcq`7mf b7fkjbn".

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